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Dining Out Should you send it back?
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- CommentAuthorTrabzon
- CommentTimeDec 29th 2009 edited
Let's say you sit down for a meal at a top-rated restaurant, and everything is absolutely fantastic throughout the entire meal, except that your steak entrée is served medium to medium well — with almost no pink flesh in the center of the steak — rather than medium-rare as you had ordered it.
Should you say anything?
And let's say a few moments later the maître d' checks to make sure everything is fine. Do you mention that they slightly overcooked your order?
I'm willing to guess that most people smile and simply report to the maître d' that everything is just fine — even though you admit to yourself that you're slightly disappointed.
If you point out the mistake, not only do you end up causing trouble for the waitstaff and wasting a perfectly good piece of meat, but you'll likely end up delaying your own meal and disrupt the flow of everyone else's meal at the table.
On the other hand, you aren't doing the restaurant any favors because the maître d' can't give the crucial feedback to the chefs in the kitchen that are hopefully striving for culinary perfection.
I'm curious if anyone else has experienced this conundrum and how they usually deal with it when out with close friends and family.
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- CommentAuthorDavidO
- CommentTimeJan 1st 2010
If you're paying the prices they ask at a top-rated restaurant, you have the right to expect your meal cooked the way you asked for it. Even at a moderately priced restaurant, this is the case.
You shouldn't hesitate to ask them to make it right.
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- CommentAuthorloml95
- CommentTimeJan 3rd 2010
of course, the real question isn't whether you should or shouldn't send it back. you should. the question is: do you?
most of the time, i don't. -
- CommentAuthorDonPablo
- CommentTimeJan 3rd 2010
I just recently had dinner in a New England restaurant, where I ordered my lamb medium rare and it arrived slightly overdone. However, when the maître d’ came over to inquire how everybody at our table liked the way their food had been prepared that evening, I offered no complaint, not wanting to cause any fuss and, in particular, not wanting to have the rest of our party wait while another dish was prepared that was more to my liking.
However, days later, after thinking it over, on second thought (and prompted by Trabzon's question) perhaps I should have told the maître d’ that my meat had been slightly overcooked but, nevertheless, I wouldn't want to send it back to the kitchen because I didn't want to have my guests wait for a replacement dish to arrive and, in the process, disrupt the timing and flow of the lovely dinner we were having.
If I had followed such an approach, a savvy maître d’ would usually send out some complimentary desserts for the table to compensate for the overdone lamb but, even if he didn't, I would have gotten my point across without disrupting the meal.
I think I'll use that approach the next time a similar thing happens......
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- CommentAuthorRick OShea
- CommentTimeJan 4th 2010
One of the problems, especially if you're dining in a restaurant for the first time, is that different restaurants have different definitions for "rare," "medium rare" and "medium." Unfortunately, there is no "standard" that we can hold all these definitions to. In particular, I've been in restaurants where I've ordered a steak "medium rare" and have been confronted with a piece of meat that is literally dripping blood. I've also experienced the opposite, just as in Don Pablo's recent experience, where the meat has been overdone, lacking any pink. So, I guess, unless you keep coming back to the same restaurant until you know what their definition of "medium rare" is, you'll be running into these types of problems on a regular basis.
(Yes, I know that the above doesn't answer the question that was posed. But, one has to take this into account in the overall discussion.)
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- CommentAuthorThe Rover
- CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
Rick OShea is right in saying that "...different restaurants have different definitions for 'rare,' 'medium rare' and 'medium'." Continuing with that line of reasoning, if one is dining at a restaurant for the first time, in order to avoid any possible unpleasant surprises, it might be a good idea to inquire of the waiter how that particular restaurant will prepare your order, if you want your meat done "medium rare."
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- CommentAuthorTrabzon
- CommentTimeJan 13th 2010 edited
It's understandable that different chefs will have some slightly different interpretations of doneness. But, I have never come across a restaurant that defined "medium rare" meat as being almost devoid of any pink flesh. If that were acceptable to any establishment, there wouldn't be any way to distinguish medium-rare from medium, and subsequently medium from medium-well — or well-done for that matter.
In other words, medium-rare has to have a good amount of pink in it or the rest of the doneness options won't make any sense. (Though, I have been to restaurants that, due to a local law, cannot serve meat cooked to an internal temperature below 150º, and therefore are unable to accommodate any "rare" orders. Surprisingly, the servers will still ask you how you want your meat cooked even though there really isn't a choice.)
If you read my initial comment, I wasn't debating the difference between bloody meat and pink meat. The order was slightly overcooked, period — it wasn't a matter of semantics, and I'm sure the Maître d' wasn't going to tell me that I didn't know what medium rare was if I had spoken up. After all, the customer is always right.
Good chefs know very well what temperatures and textures make an order medium-rare — or they wouldn't have a job. However, the reality is that mistakes happen. Sometimes a cut of meat will continue to cook a little more if left under the heat lamps, or placed onto a piping hot plate right out of the warmer.
Mistakes happen all the time.
The point is, what do you do about it when a mistake happens? Do you nod to the Maître d' and tell him everything is perfect? Or do you tell him that it wasn't exactly what you expected so that he can improve his restaurant's service? My experience is that most people don't say anything out of politeness to the rest of the table and to not offend the hard work of the staff, even though most people would wish to say something in an entirely different setting. It seems in practice that the accepted etiquette is to simply praise a meal to the Maître d' when the errors are forgivable. After all, who wants to dole out a criticism on a special occasion when everyone else is enjoying themselves. I can certainly understand that sentiment. But, I'm very much curious if others feel the same way or disagree.
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- CommentAuthorloml95
- CommentTimeJan 14th 2010
i am not sure if different restaurants have different definitions for rare/medium rare etc. but i am sure that they shouldn't. this is not subjective, it is objective defined by certain temperatures. while i am someone who almost always smiles and says nothing about 'mistakes', while muttering under my breath, it is my expectation that any good chef has this information...
but as for the real debate, as i said, i sit mute. -
- CommentAuthormurphy
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
Is everyone on this thread American? My husband (English) works with Americans (who meet monthly in Europe or the U.S) and if there is anything wrong when they are out dining, the Americans don't complain.
We are firmly in the camp that if you don't get what you have ordered, esp. when you have been asked how you would like it cooked, you don't wait for anyone to come over, as soon as you see the problem, you beckon someone over. People around you will understand, it may disrupt the meal for a time, but it is unacceptable for a professional chef / kitchen not be able to cook a piece of meat to the customers requirements.
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- CommentAuthorsohcahtoa
- CommentTimeFeb 10th 2010
Having worked as a waiter many years ago, I know that if customers linger over their appetizers, rather than serve the main courses before those customers have finished their first courses, the kitchen winds up cooking the main courses a little longer, in an effort to keep them warm. The result is that they sometimes are a little more "well done" than if they had been served when they were originally ready. I've found that this usually affects fish dishes more than meat dishes.
One way of avoiding this tendency is to start off by just ordering your appetizers and telling the waiter that you'll order the main courses later. This not only increases the probability that your fish or meat will not be overdone, but it also will allow you to have a much more leisurely dinner and not have the main courses rushed to the table immediately after you're finished with the appetizers, which will frequently happen if the restaurant is trying to "turn over the table" for the next customer.
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- CommentAuthorNanoose
- CommentTimeFeb 13th 2010
I am more inclined to send back if the chef can quickly fix the problem...as in if it is undercooked, I can get that rectified easily. Also, and especially with lamb, we order using a color chart--not "medium rare", but "pink" Or "bloody" or "not a trace of blood" I even order my eggs "looking right at you" (sunny side up). Wine is ordered by taste if I'm not familiar with the list, "melt some butter, crush some grapes and put it a bottle and bring it out" (instead of ordering a chardonnay I am not familiar with)...and for the comment about ordering one course at a time, I really disagree with that. A waiter should not put the entire order in and leave it to the chef to time it. A waiter needs to pay attention to his table and tell the chef to hold off on the main courses if he sees the table are slow eaters. It's absurd that the table should have to control the kitchen by ordering food, one course at a time. If a waiter/chef/whomever decides to give me back to back courses without so much as a breath in between, somebody is going to be unhappy at that restaurant and it's not going to be me.
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- CommentAuthorTrabzon
- CommentTimeFeb 13th 2010 edited
Nanoose, I couldn't have said it better myself! Thank you.
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